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Her husband cheated. She burnt herself to death

Mum set herself alight to teach cheating husband a lesson - Yorkshire Post

Such a sad, sad story. There's a background of threats of self-harm.

But apparently it was his affair that pushed her over the edge.

What the f**k is he going to tell his children?:(:mad:

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Are affairs "real"? Are online relationships "real?"

Ya I know, sounds like a silly question.

I also put these together because I think these two questions overlap quite a bit.

I have a co-worker who is "dating" some guy she met on the internet. She hasn't met him in person yet. It's been over six months. Today when she was talking about her "boyfriend" I just told her point blank it's not a real relationship.

Often when infidelity experts challenge the legitimacy of affairs they will say something to the effect that infidelity relationships are pure fantasy. They aren't "real."

I have read similar criticisms about online relationships in general.

And yes, you can have an affair online, which crosses both questions into the same thing.

What makes an in-person relationship "real?
What makes an online relationship "not real?"
What makes an affair "not real?"

Is one more "real" than the other?

I had said to my co-worker that until she meets him in person, and they start doing things normal people do/used to do rather than playing on the computer, she's just living some silly fantasy.

She didn't like the sound of that.

I say too bad.

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Honey... don't ever marry a man hoping he'll change

That's the only advice my mother ever gave me about marriage. I wish I had listened.

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Does A Marriage Make You Happy...

...Or do you make your marriage a happy one?

What does happiness look like to you after 10 years of marriage, two kids and the everyday stresses of life?

How important is your personal satisfaction and happiness compared to your partner in the relationship?

To what extent is your partner supposed to make you happy, or can a partner really make you happy?

Do you think it is partly your responsibility to make your husband / wife happy?

Just a few questions that crossed my mind recently when it dawned on me that lots of married people may not actually be happy.

My belief is that happy people can't help but make a marriage happy .

I believe that an unhappy person will make even the most perfect relationship , miserable.
It takes two to tango, but they must like the Tango, or at least be willing to work out their issues, and learn how to Tango.

What's your take?


PS, There's a poll attached , feel free to vote!

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A tale as old as time

There are things that I would love to talk about, but talking about stuff is what got my marriage in trouble in the first place. I'm TW, and I've just reconciled a marriage.
Its weird being on the cliff, as all the people watched me, and then deciding to turn around do something else. It seems heroic, or motivational at the time, but no one tells you about all the stares you are going to get from it. That's my story.
I had been in the Navy for a couple of years when I met my fiance LL. We were like any couple, we hit things off, we went well together, and our pregnancy only brought us closer. The thing about the situation is, that when the Navy tells you that you are part of the Navy Family, they really think that you are a family. However, the Navy had been running with the idea for years that they would be more a of business. Big Navy is what they would call themselves. If we've learned anything over the last the last few years, Cooperations aren't really people.
My wife is Russian, and as you can guess, it made heads turn a bit. I was told constantly that she was only looking for a green card, that she was a mail order bride, and other things. I took everything as a joke, as being in the service, I am use to my friends making jokes. Though over time, I started to sense that they really meant the things that they were joking about.
LL wasn't having much of a better time herself. With many of her friends moving around the country and having a new baby, she started to feel the pressure of being isolated. No fault of her own, or mine for that matter. I was in the military, so I was gone often. However, LL began to find friends of her own, and she too learned the hard way, "Watch out who you let in your marriage." The more friends she made, the more they began to tell her that her life was like an indentured servant, whose only purpose to raise our one child who was dealing with medical complication. None of her friends had kids, so they didn't understand the needs that came from both parents. The friends who were married, were very judgmental, as they were dual-income families, and we only brought home one check.
We weren't poor, but anyone could tell that the pregnancy took us by surprise, and we were building a life at step one.
The Navy was on the look out for complications. The story of young Sailors and bad "Trial Marriages" as they called it called it, were common place. So not knowing much better, when my supervisors asked about it, I told them about my concerns.
I really thought, these people are older and wiser, they would know how to help me save my marriage. That wasn't the case at all. Most instances, the people were quick to tell me to pitch and run. It was never anything that I was considering to do, as I had a son, and I knew what it was like to be raised in a single-parent environment.
LL had found friends that were a little less judgmental, but that sacrifice came with its own problems. They would constantly ask her to come out and party. Of course I didn't mind staying at home with our child after work, because I felt bad about my wife being cramped in the house all day. Though this slowly became a routine. We had too very separate lives. I hated her friends, and she hated mine. We both knew that our friends weren't happy about marriage, despite how happy we were. For some reason we let them stay around, because over the years, they were the only friends we knew.
In the end, it blew up in a chain reaction. First her friends insulted our brand new townhouse we had bought. Many of these friends with little places to stay of their own. LL started to get mad that our lives weren't better, and moving into the suburbs seemed cramp her friends ability to take her out for parties all night. My friends who had concluded that I was married to a party girl as well just told me that I should ditch her and come out to find a better suited wife on my own.
In the end, we went our separate ways. Took a lose on our house, thus started our terrible divorce. There really wasn't much to say about me, but in California the court favors the mother, and with a husband in the military, its nearly impossible to win custody. To trump up the case, LL's friends told her things she should say about me, which always put me on the defense in the court room. It was a terrible situation, but in my moves, I met a new friend named Zen.
Zen was Chinese, and raised very traditional. Of all the people that I worked with, he didn't say much when hearing of my problems, he just told me, as an accountant, you need to get rid of that house and move in with me to get your life back together. Over the year, that I lived with Zen, he helped me raise my kid, and helped me think about marriage a new way. Basically he told me, "You're married in America, and people don't understand what marriage is. They are wrapped up in what television tells them what a marriage is supposed to be. You just got to tell yourself, that it's just the two of you and you'll be fine."
LL was having an experience of her own. All her friends who told her that she was in a bad relationship welcomed her with open arms. Then they realized how much I had actually taken care of. How the power of two, was much more useful then it looked. LL's welcome was warn out and she found herself having to find a women's shelter, where she realized that the court appointed alimony which would be only for a year, and child support wouldn't be enough to have a life on her own. While in the program, LL went to different counseling groups where she met women with real issues. Women who had been in abusive relationships, and families that had been legitimately abandoned. It started to strike a nerve with her.
In my office, the new living situation was putting on drain on my career. I had to run out at weird hours to pick up our son. The divorce had called upon accusations that restricted some of my duties in the Navy until my Lawyer was able to prove them false. Finally, in an unrelated incident with the Navy, I stood in front of a discipline board who threatened to demote me. When they asked why I having such a hard time, I told them that i was going through a rough divorce, in which they responded, "Its not our fault that you married a crazy *****." The statement caught our legalman by surprise, the board was ended.
The stress of the military did however, push me to my personal career in photography. I was selected as one of four of the Navy's top photographers and I was to be sent to Syracuse University for more education. I decided that it was time to see a parenting councilor to cope with the new transition. At this point, my wife and I weren't divorced, as it California takes so long to process a divorce.
So as LL and I went into counseling, our therapist noticed that we had problems, but the problem was more that we live as parallel units and not as one. She said the thing that I said from the start, "Be careful who you let into you marriage." LL confessed that she realized the things that she had been doing, and I of course apologized for my actions as well.
Though at the time, LL couldn't leave CA, and I was under military orders. So I left for master's program as LL remained in CA.
Life was rough on both our parts, but the needing to talk to my soon, grew us both, as we were forced into conversations about our feelings and our new found isolations. I told her that I hated CA because of the people, and she agreed. I had told her years ago that I thought we should take orders somewhere far so that it would just be me and her. She was hesitant, but at this point she agreed, because she realized those friends were not all that great either.
We were all ready to move to Japan on orders, when our son's former complications flagged my orders. We couldn't go to Japan. However, I could be assigned to San Diego again. LL knew that it disappointed me, but promised that we would make it work.
Every since the Navy's response to my divorce, I had never mentioned anything about my personal life ever again. To most, they had no idea that I was still married and had reconciled.
In time, I knew that it would have to be a moment, where LL and I talked about the thing that had broken us up. On my end, I had distanced myself from those who spoke ill of my wife, she said that would make the adjustments as well. I guess what I am trying to say is, be careful who you let in your marriage.

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dealing with insecurity in a marriage

Hello all,

Have there been times when you were feeling insecure and jealous for no reason? What were the circumstances? If so how did you feel about it, overcome it? Alternatively, have there been times when your spouse was jealous and how did it make you feel, what did you guys do to overcome it?

In my personal case, I deal with a lot of insecurity, low confidence issues which translate into my relationships. I have always been a little socially shy and awkward growing up. I am a an attractive girl, have a good education and come from a loving family, but I am overweight and am slightly socially awkward. My husband on the other hand is very fit, confident and handsome. He used to get a lot of attention from girls and even now when we go out to clubs and bars I notice them looking at him. When I first started dating him I was fit and over the year we have been together I gained weight. I am trying to loose it but it is hard work. I keep stumbling back and forth. Anyways, I am not obese or anything, just get stuck in being plump. Perhaps because I feel my husband dated me when I was slim and he himself is still super fit, i feel like I am not good enough and do not have the energy to go back to being so fit anymore. I do not fear he will cheat on me or hurt me but just little things any guy would say/do makes me feel like I want to die. We are trying to deal with this cause he is a great guy and we still have a healthy sex life etc. but I cannot/do not know how to deal with my feelings and do not want to continue this way.
When I see attractive women that my spouse notices or sometimes when he talks about how hot a celebrity is or fantasizes about them, I feel a surge of jealousy and anger come up. I think about how much better those women are than me. Then I justify that my husband still loves me for my personality and still finds me attractive regardless of the fact that I am overweight. But even this mentality starts to bugs me as I think he is only with me for other reasons not because he thinks I am hot. I want my husband to think I am hot, beautiful, sexy, feel so lucky to have me not just love me for my personality. He gets compliments all the time for his buff muscles. I feel like he is better looking than me cause I don't, I am overweight. I feel people around us, our friends and family, acquaintances think he is better looking than me, I can feel even him thinking he is physically better looking than me. I don't feel the desire in his eyes when he sees me dress up to go clubbing the s ame way when I was fit anymore. I don't feel sexy. I know this feeling is wrong and I am being selfish and putting strain on him for no reason. But I feel this and I don't know how to improve the way I think.

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Cancer and Divorce

I've read some things online about the relationship between cancer and divorce. I have my own story that is just beginning with this, but I wanted to start this thread in the hope others will share what they've been through.

I've read that 1 in 5 men will divorce their wives when the wife gets a diagnosis of cancer, especially if the wife is younger. Women tend to do the opposite; only 3 out of every 100 women will divorce their spouse if he gets cancer, even though women file for divorce on average more than men.

The short version is that my H was very recently diagnosed with prostate cancer, I've been trying to divorce him for years prior, and (of course) there's a huge amount of back story.

More later. Hope to hear from others who have had this happen or are going through it now.

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My closest colleague loses her marriage after she cheated

I've had very strong suspicions that my closest work colleague has been cheating for about 12 months now. I haven't had sufficient evidence to tell her husband, but suffice to say I have known about it.

She knows about my situation and has even asked for advice for a "friend" about various infidelity related issues - I have sent her links to here and books that are often linked here too.

She came into work around a month ago when I wasn't in and had to go home upset. I, and another colleague, figured she had been finally caught out.

Two days ago she admitted to me what she had been up to and that her husband had gotten into her emails and found that she had still been in touch with the man he had found out about in February (so we were right about that part).

There is a lot, lot, more to this and I think she has even cheated on her AP with another colleague at work (again not enough to be concrete, but mine and somebody else's spidey senses were tingling).

So her husband left tonight. It looks like he did pretty much everything wrong but that's hardly his fault.

She didn't want him anymore (genuinely) and, even filtering the usual crud you here from betraying spouses, he clearly has issues.

I don't think she's that unhappy right now - if he leaves she can keep the kids and the house for now and it gives her carte blanche to carry on with her lover. He is married too, not sure if he has kids but suspect so and he lives too far away for a relationship to be realistic.

I'm annoyed because, despite my feelings about cheating, I have been understanding with her - without allowing her to lie to herself or me about what she has done. She does, to be fair, accept that what she has done is 100% wrong - but in true cheater's script fashion often then goes on to justify her actions.

It's been interesting seeing it all unfold from the "other side". It has made me appreciate my ex wife believe it or not - although I still can't forgive her or commit to any future, but in many ways she is not as "bad" as my colleague.

There is so much more to this than what I've written, but it's been pretty draining trying to keep an even keel through such another intense experience and my colleague is a complex mix of selfishness, entitlement, kindness, intelligence and fog thinking. But for the betrayal she is one of the better people I have had the privilege to know.

Her kids are lovely and, although their dad might not have been that close to them, I know this will devastate them. Such a damn shame.

Just thought I'd offload really; no point to my post at all :scratchhead:

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Need to know ways to save my marriage

I married my husband 2 years back, after dating him for 6 years. We do not have kids yet.

My in-laws went through a divorce when my husband was very young. My mother-in-law is a self obsessed person who does not care for her children till date! Spending most of his childhood unhappy and neglected, my husband has some habits/behaviors which are bad and unacceptable.

First, he has the "I don't care" attitude for most things including his job. Due to which, his colleagues do not like him much. He is very intelligent and efficient (probably the reasons why he did not lose his job!). He hardly has any friends. Second, he has the habit of unnecessary fault finding in every possible thing (be it a person or a movie or any food). He is an attention seeker and can go to any extent to get the attention. He gets very VERY defensive if anyone criticizes him.

I have learnt to overlook such habits as much as possible. But somewhere I feel I need to make him realize what is good for him.

He does things for me, takes care of me. But often, he likes to compare how much he does for me and what I do for him.

I have seen good things in him in the last 8 years. Probably I am the only person for whom he matters and he is very well aware of that. I wish to have a successful marriage but I just do not know how to make that happen. Every morning I wake up thinking that things will start changing for good. But that never happens..

Please help understand how do I communicate with him and handle things. Any habit that I could built in myself, that could make things better.

Thanks,
Anandi

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I'm hungry and I have no idea what I want for lunch. So curious what you having for lunch? Brunch counts as well. :)

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Husband wants a "divorce" but his actions are different then his words

Ok I'll try to explain the situation the best that I can. Almost two weeks ago my h of 5 years and I got into a fight which is once in a blue moon but when we fight they are bad....any ways he tells me he wants a divorce and that he doesn't love me anymore. he is not going to fight me with our children (we have a 4 year old and 1 on the way). I was shocked because not even two hours before the fight he was so excited that I had just bought him a new wedding band.....I let things calm down for a bout a week and when I tried to talk to him he was still set on wanting a divorce. Of course I was hurt, but in the same sense I had to be strong for our daughter. He said he was going to leave the house which he did not in fact he is still wearing his wedding band. On Wednesday he came home from work with a 500 dollar game consul which was supposed to be for my birthday that was in November. Mind you I have never nagged him about it, or even said anything to him a bout it since October. Then the last couple days when he is talking to the neighbor, and he needs to ask me a question he will yell BABE and then ask the question, but for the past two weeks almost he has been calling me by my name and nothing else. He is confusing the hell out of me and as strong as I am being for my daughter and myself I am having a hard time comprehending what he really wants. I am scared to ask cause I don't want to seem despite or anything I want my marriage to work, but I don't want to push him away either.

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Dd in hospital

My ex has alienated my kids, I've detailed it in earlier posts.

He texted me yesterday to say that our 14 year old has been in hospital for 3 days. I can come up if I agree to stay only a brief time, not bring my mother or any friends up with me, he must remain in the room at all times as it is dd's request.

I went up and she was very weak, on morphine and IV antibiotics. She seemed happy to see me, I haven't really seen her since October when her brother and her came to clean out the last of her things from my condo.

The ex asked to speak to me in the hall. He said I was to only stay a short while. I told him I wanted to stay until the doctor arrived and gave the update. He said 'well then you will pay the consequences'. I said to him 'can you not be an adult and tell her that I am worried about her and want to hear what the doctor says'. I went back in the room. I explained t o her that I was worried about her and wanted to stay and talk to the doctor. She seemed fine with it and we talked about favorite movies, I bought her a word search and some small things from the gift store. I was there from 8 until 4 pm. She was discharged and so I left.
When I got back later I checked on her Facebook to see if she was telling her friends that she was a bit better. She had posted something directed at me saying " you came and stayed 7 f$^**g hours, why don't you just get out. She had been posting this onto her FB while I was still there.
He obviously has her totally in this thrall. They were laughing and joking about some zombie show they watch and how they were going to a convention for it and getting the t-shirts for it.


So at least I got to see that she seems happy enough to be with him. I am at peace with not pursuing custody, I was told that at her age it would not be enforced or maintained. She cannot be compelled to see a psychologist at her age.

I'm just venting, there is no answer to this situation. I continue to text her that I love her and hope she is doing well. I take the FB message for what it is worth, she is being influenced by him to see me as all bad.

I asked him why he waiting three days to let me know why she was in hospital, he said those were her wishes. He's a narcissist, so it's all about him, and it's all about control and power. So he's quite happy that he has both kids under his thumb.

My doctor and therapist said to move on with my life. That's all I can do, but I've raised these children and love them.

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Please Help

I met my wife on the internet some 17 years ago and we have been married for 15 years and have 3 children.

For many years I haven't been the perfect husband, and I have been neglecting her and our marriage.

My wife and I both play online games and have done for many years.

Recently I noticed that my wife was spending almost every night playing online games with a couple of "friends"

She also started talking about how we should get separated because she didn't know if she loved me and needed space to "work it out"

I also noticed the way that she would smile and talk to one of these male "friends" over the internet with her headphones on. I knew that look and it haunted me.

I also noticed that she was hiding what she was saying to this guy on the internet, for example when I would walk in she would quickly close programs etc.

So I started digging and found that she was telling him she loved him deeply, wanted him, couldn't wait for the next night etc. I even found that she had talked of him as her real soulmate.

I confronted him and asked him to stay away.

I confronted her.

At first she denied it and said nothing was happening, she continued to lie about different things until slowly it came out that she was having a "cyber affair".

She still lies about some things today like when did you last talk to him? (when I know it was a couple of hours ago) and she says oh not since yesterday for example.

She has tried to say it doesn't mean anything, that it was just a fantasy. That she would never be together with him.

She has tried to say that it was my fault because of the neglect I drove her to it (I don't disagree totally)

I told her that I am willing to save our marriage, that I would try to be a better husband, but that she needed to break off contact with this guy so that we could rebuild on a more solid foundation.

She said most of all he is "a very important friend" that she needed him in her life because she is very depressed (and even said she would suicide if she didn't have this friend because then she would have nothing) and that he is also depressed and she fears for his life should she stop talking to him.

I have tried to no avail to have her imagine if it was me that had done the same and that I wanted to just keep in contact with a girl I "cyber" cheated with because she was a good friend.

Whenever I try to explain these feelings she brings up my neglect and says, well maybe we should just get separated. That she is going to keep in contact with this guy.

I asked her to choose "us" so that we could rebuild, she has said that she loves me and she wants to stay with me, but she has said that she wants to stay in contact with this guy as he is just a "friend" and she promises nothing will happen and they just made a mistake and want to go back to just being friends.

She continues to be "sneaky", contacting him through other means, staying up at night, waking up early to be on the game and still having contact with him.

Its killing me.

I need your advice, how do I save my marriage?

How do I explain to her that if he is still there then I can never trust?

Am I being crazy?

I'm lost. :(

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When? When do you know??

My apologies in advance, this is going to be all over the place. For 2 days I've been trying to put my thoughts together and I still can't even come up with a thread title. I've decided to simply put it out here as it comes to me.

I have previous threads for background. The core of it right now...I am detached from my marriage and from my husband. I have been trying for a few years to find my way back, to love him again, be in love with him again, desire him again. I am a horrible communicator. Horrible. I know that and have so far been unsuccessful at changing that defect in myself. H thrives on communication, verbose to the nth degree. He has scaled it back some at my request. Lately I've become even more quiet, which he has noticed, because I don't want to hurt him, hurt his feelings, give a voice to the negative things I think about him or the deep unhappiness I have in our marriage. He is sensitive. So very, very sensitive. I learned a long time ago that he can get cut to the core very easily. He has told me for years that I suck in the girlfriend department of being a wife. I acknowledge that to be true. If I were to ever say something like that to him it would be overwhelmingly painful to him. I 've learned to keep my mouth shut, which is a natural tendency anyway.

A few nights ago we argued. I put on my big girl panties and told him that I am basically sticking around because of our daughters. That took all the fight out of him. He hasn't spoken to me since. I called our counselor. I wanted to get in for IC and we definitely need more MC. She moved but offered a skype type session. We've been seeing her for years, I've gone on my own also, and I don't want to have to start all over again with someone new & spend weeks establishing all the background. There's so much. But I don't know what is turning me off the skype session. I'll give it a try though. I need help. Guidance. Guts. Clarity.

When I ask myself if I WANT this marriage, I'm afraid of my answer. As H says, I make a great roommate & caretaker. I don't trust him anymore. I don't believe in him anymore. I have learned that he wants to take the easy road. He tanked his career 2 years ago and is on his 2nd class towards a new degree. He talks & talks & talks, but that's it. I can usually tune it out because I know what he says will not come to fruition. But lately he's talking about how overwhelmed he is with work, school (ONE class) and family and he shuts down. He skipped an important class because when he gets this way he shuts down & does nothing. That is happening more frequently and I'm still left with bills, dinner, kids' homework, baths, laundry, schedule, etc. if he stays on course it will take a good 4-6 years for his degree. Lately I'm hearing that one class is too much, he wants to go part time or not work at all in order to finish school. He calls in "sick" even though he doesn't have sick ti me, he's the first to volunteer to leave work if they are overstaffed. We are making less than 1/2 of what we were making 2 years ago. We can't afford these "sick" days and if I say something about it he tells me I'm more interested in the material things than him. He values family time over money in his pocket. I'm not talking about money in my pocket, I'm talking about a roof over our head and food on the table. My car needs new tires. There's no family time if there's no money. That sounds harsh so I hope you understand my meaning behind that.

He lies. That's what got him fired from his 17+ year career. He lied to cover something stupid up. Yes, he would have been reprimanded, but the consequences would have been minimal. His lying caught up with him and he swore to me he would not do that again. I find that he's telling little lies again. I don't trust him.

He says he loves me, is in love with me, and the girls & I are all he wants. He criticizes me everyday for something. Sometimes big, sometimes small. I'm a bad communicator, yes I acknowledge that. He says I'm a great mother, doing a great job with our girls, but then he'll say the trouble we're having with some normal kid behaviors is my fault. He jumps all over me if I set something on the kitchen counter or table. He criticizes my family, directly to them!! Yet he's not speaking to his family & hasn't for years. He has 1 friend and criticizes the time I spend with, or talking to, my girlfriends.

I know he feels tortured by my silence. I have told him much of how I'm feeling before and he feels dumped on and takes it all so deep & personally that he turns my words into so much more. At one time I told him I was disappointed in a decision he made. It was a decision not to go to a funeral service that I felt was important. He turned that into that I am disappointed in him, as a man, husband and father. I can't tell him one simple specific thing because he turns it into a universal attack on him.

How do you know when you're done? How do you know when to keep working and trying harder? When is enough, enough?
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