I love him heart and soul but I'm repulsed by his physical appearance

My husband (Mike) has gained a lot of weight. I am struggling because I find it really unattractive. On top of this, he doesn't take care of himself physically (his teeth, his hair, his clothing choices…..) and I find it really gross. He also struggles to hold onto a job.

Let me give you some history. When I met Mike 11 years ago, he was very overweight (like 130kgs on a 5"11 frame). I was mentally unhealthy at the time, but we began a very intense relationship – he was my first real boyfriend. We fell so in love with each other and together became healthy. In the process of me supporting him become physically healthy, I became interested in healthy eating and exercise. I'm not perfect, but I am very into my fitness.

Mike and I got married five years later. We have a son, who he is an amazing father to, and we are about to have another child. I love Mike so much, especially as a father and as a support person to me. He is the kindest, most loving man I could hope for,

BUT – when we got married, Mike started to gain back weight. There were lots of reasons for this, like him working in a more stationary job, then his father passing away, etc. By the time he had got back to about 110 kgs, I was really concerned. I spoke with him as gently as I could about it. He got re-motivated and started trying to lose weight again.

After losing maybe 15kgs, Mike lost motivation and started to gain back the weight. I spoke with him again. It happened again. And again. And again and again and again. Six years later, he is gaining again.

I am so grossed out by the weight, combined with the teeth, the hair and the clothing. Physical appearance isn't everything to me, but I actually find this a big turn off. I've tried every approach I can think of, some right, some obviously wrong. I cook healthy food, offer to pack him lunches for work, rolemodel healthy eating and fitness, encourage him to see the dentist, buy him clothes – obviously all of this is patronising to him. I've tried to tell him lovingly that I need him to do this. I've asked him to see a councellor with me. I've asked him to see a doctor, nutritionist, trainer.

Worstly – I've found pills around the house that show that he is desperate. He has taken thermogenics several times, and I've even found Thyroxin – I don't know how he got it!

I'm about to have another baby and I want so badly to raise my children with a healthy family. I have an abundance of love for Mike, and I don't want to break up our marriage for superficial reasons. However, I do feel that I deserve to be with someone who doesn't repulse me, physically. I know those words are strong, but that is the point that I am at.

I don't want to leave him. I want him to change. Am I being realistic? What should I do?

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Worried my husband has a crush on/is in love with a gay guy friend

My husband and I have been married for almost five years and were together for a few years before that. It hasn't always been easy between us; he dumped me pretty early on for an old flame before we got back together.

Anyway, we recently moved a huge distance for him to start a grad program. He got an assistantship to help him cover the cost with several of his classmates and works in an office on campus.

For the entire first semester (he's one year in) he didn't really bring me to any of his events. I thought this was weird and started getting suspicious. I'd hear him mention women's names (that he went to school/worked with) and started getting jealous. He took me out to eat with one of them just to show me there was nothing going on between them and how harmless she was.

But actually, I've started to piece bits together from things he and other people have said.

Probably his best friend in this program is a gay guy. Though he's started inviting tons of his friends from school out with us to dinners, he *never* invites this guy, which is odd because of how much he talks about him and how close they are.

I overheard that when the program first began, my husband would make up any excuse to visit this friend at his office, as in asking questions he'd already gotten the answer to, etc. A co-worker apparently even told him because it was so obvious, "If you want to talk to him, you don't have to have a reason other than to talk to him."

And then I heard someone mention that my husband would constantly stare at his gay friend during classes, even when his friend wasn't talking. He allegedly did it so often that people in class would send signals to the gay friend to warn him that it was happening.

My husband is also not a very physical person. He hates people invading his space and he avoids hugs at all costs. But I've also learned that my husband will put his arm across the back of his gay friend's chair, or rest his feet on the rungs of his gay friend's chair.

The two of them roomed with each other on a trip for their program. The friend told someone that he woke up one morning and my husband was just staring at him from his bed. A co-worker of theirs has said that my husband will become physically aroused when his friend is in the office with him and try to cover it up.

What do you all think? Is this the typical behavior of a straight guy? I don't know whether this is a special case scenario, and everybody has someone they'd go gay for, or if my husband's bi-curious, or bisexual, or even gay.

My fear is that if he is one of those other things, he's deep in denial about it. If he is, I'd rather get it out on the table now than waste both of our lives for him to admit it. I don't believe they've slept together, because (a) I don't think he'd go far that, knowing him (b) it would require a certain amount of courage and authenticity to admit same-sex desire, and I don't think he's prepared for that either. However, I do worry he's having an emotional affair.

This is about ten months running now, and I think the "crush" period has long since gone. This is something more serious now.

Any thoughts or advice will be appreciated.

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The Swinging lifestyle

What are the odds that if you had a wife that has cheated on you before, would enjoy the swinging lifestyle? Why I ask is my wife has had an EA before, would of gone physical if not stopped. What has me curious is before she ever cheated on me she asked me one night if swinging is something I would ever do, she asked me because of a small private swinging group in my town was leaked out. It was talk of the town and we were talking about that night when asked me for my thoughts. I didnt know if it was a trap so I said it might be something to consider if you feel your sex life is dead and are out of options to revive it. She never really told me what she thought about it. I always wondered and then I discover her little affair. It has me thinking, what is your thoughts on this and has anyone had good experiences in the swinging world. I look at it as one last effort to see if this will cure her cheating. It would never be with local people, it would have t o be with couples who live a couple hrs away. I never would of concidered this before the cheating. Now its like wtf...what can it hurt at this point!

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I slept with him.

Okay, well I slept with Aang. My love interest, not the guy who asked for a one night stand.

I can't express how nice it felt to be touched, not just sexually but in general. My love language is physical touch and appreciation, and he provides all of that.
I felt safe. 100% safe.

Once we were done, he kept staring at me with a smile.
He told me he loved me and went home.
Later he texted me and asked how I felt about what had happened, in which I responded. He asked me how I felt about him and I told him I love him.

He ended up saying that tonight was a wake up call. He loves me so much and said that he can't sleep with me again until our relationship is official. He thoroughly enjoyed it, he says, but being intimate like that deeply and intensly felt amazing but also brought a sting to his heart because he wants me but we're not yet official. He now cannot bear the thought of me being with another man.

My relationship with him is at another level. But I'm afraid.

I know he wouldn't ever hurt me, I know he wouldn't abuse me or my son. I know we're safe.
So why am I so afraid?

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Stupid emotions

Sex is a frequent topic of arguments with my husband and I.

First off, let me say that our relationship has been an emotional rollercoaster. My husband can be a very negative emotional person and it's draining. I am more of the look on the bright side and easy going person.

That being said, there are many times in our relationship where I do not feel emotionally safe with my husband. Our communication with each other is very lacking and this, coupled with his negativity, leaves me feeling very distant and cautious around him.

Which brings us to our biggest issue. I do not feel comfortable around him sexually probably at least 85% of the time. Not feeling emotionally connected and safe with him makes me not able to be feel passionate with him. So although we have sex fairly frequently (3-4 times/week at least), it's most often just sex for the sake of having sex.

The flip side of this is that my husband can't allow himself to emotionally connect to me, and therefore allow me to feel safe and close to him, unless we are having frequent passionate sex. He needs to feel that I want him in order to be open to communicating and making me feel safe.

I'm stuck. The strange thing too is that I am actually an extremely sexual person.I fantasize and masturbate often, so it's not a lack of sex drive. Just a lack of connection. We have talked about this until we're both blue in the face and it gets us no where. For a few days I'll feel close again because we're actually talking about it, but then my husband goes back into his negative role, and I withdraw. And of course it's always my fault when it comes to a head.

It is to the point where we are actually talking about splitting up (his initiation) and I'm pregnant with our second child currently. I'm lost. Has anyone else dealt with this and have advice to offer me on how to deal with it on either end.

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When are men going to start shaving their armpits?

OK, I'm not totally serious about that question, but seriously, women are expected to shave EVERYTHING these days and be completely hairless.

Why do men still get to have hairy armpits? And legs? And anything else they desire?

Disclaimer: I HATE when men shave their arms and chests, unless they they are like Ripley's Believe it or Not hairy, and wouldn't even like hairless armpits or legs, but I'm just saying.....I just saw a pic of my favorite male fitness guru on Facebook with his arms up, armpit hair all hanging out. I just don't find that pose attractive and can you imagine if his wife had posed with hairy armpits like that?

What makes it ok for a man and not a woman? (Another disclaimer: I have no desire to grow out my armpit hair).

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What do y'all think of this?!?!

This is probably my longest post ever. This is something that bothers me a lot & I can't seem to get past. It's a long story. I tried to make it as brief as possible.

Me & my H have always been best friends. We share everything. Our hopes & dreams, Fears & worries. neither of us has ever really had a close friend other than each other. If either of us had a problem we would go to the other, Talk it over & figure out together how to solve it. So with that being said. Here's where I'm going with this.

When my H started talking to OW he told her to look us up on FB we have a joint account. So she sends us a friend request. Every time he gets on the computer he calls me in there & says look what she put on here. You should like that or say this. If you got to know her you would really like her. things like that.

Every time me or him get on there she pops up on chat & starts talking to us. next thing I know he is spending hours a day in there talking to her at first it seemed innocent enough. Then just went to outright flirting. I've never been the jealous type, But I start to get pissed. I told him that I didn't like her, What they were doing was inappropriate & I wanted him to stop talking to her.

After a big blow up, Him telling me she was married & I was crazy he agreed, Only to start texting & talking on the phone behind my back. Then she starts calling me. Asking if he enjoyed his "FISHING TRIP" Trying to get me to talk about our sex life. He keeps pushing her on me. Telling me what a good person she is & how she would make me a good friend & that she reminds him of me, That we are a lot alike. by this time they're meeting after work.

He involves me in the A & starts inviting her to go places with us. Telling me, Her H is a work-alcoholic & shes lonely. I should call her during the day & get her to go places with me. Getting me to look up love songs & make him cd's (For them) He even talked about inviting her to go on vacation with us. By this time we were fussing about her constantly & he was still inviting her to our home.

I feel like he was so proud of her that he couldn't hide it. He felt the need to share it with me. Like a child would show off a new toy. In some sick way does this mean I'm still his best friend or was he just rubbing it in my face. He says he don't know what he was thinking. I would like to know what you all think.

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My Marriage is Depressing Me

I've been with my husband 10 years married for 5. This is my 2nd marriage (married young) and I have 2 kids from that marriage. He has 1 from a previous relationship. When we first started dating there were signs of verbal aggression, selfishness, he at times was condescending, and would fight for attention when it came to my kids. But being fresh love and only seeing the good things I over looked it. Before we got married we lived together but then I moved out and bought my own house (his neighborhood was going down) for the better school system. 9 months later he proposed and told me my house was too small so we bought a bigger house.

Fast forward several years to 2013. At this time nothing is like the marriage I believe in. We have separate finances, we split everything 1/2 & 1/2 even the dinner bill, it has gotten to the point where if he does anything for me or my kids he constantly throws it up in our face so I told him don't do anthing for us. He only does things out of expectation and not love. So now he has nothing to hold over our heads. He keeps telling me how much better his life was and he should have stayed in his house (even though it was his idea....all of it). So you could imagine this made me feel great :(. I could easily say that I was just fine with me and my girls in my little house, how my finances were much better, how I had other options....but I actually care about peoples feelings and keep it to myself.

Well my car broke down and I had to get it fixed. He convinced me to allow him to help me fix it. Bad idea. He kept telling me I needed a new car and that he would help me with the down payment. Nope, not after telling me I'm the reason you are broke. Even though I was paying all the bills at this point (and yes he was working). Talking to money with him or telling him I need his half always turns into an arguement so I rather just pay everything and struggle than argue. Anyway, I was blessed enough to be able to buy a new car (not brand new but new to me). He got mad cause I didn't take him with me and told me he was leaving me....over a car. First, I'm not taking from his money, the house money, we don't share our money, so it came from from my money.

After that (shortly after) he got mad at me again. I went out with a girlfriend (I never go out...literally) and he got mad. So he was ready to leave again. At this point I'm feeling bad like I'm wrong so I do what I can to make him happy. Then he starts complaining about my kids and them not cleaning the way he wants. Now these girls get A's and B's (mostly A's), they never get in trouble, they play sports, perform throughout the community with a gospel dance group, very active in church, never sneaking boys in the house or having wild parties, so if this is their only infraction I can live with that. This is the only thing he can come up with so he tells me he doesn't like me kids he just tolerates them because he loves me. 10 years and you have not created a relationship with my kids yet I love his daughter to death and she doesn't always listen to me.

So he tells me again we should just split up so at this point I say you're right. Apparently he was bluffing and agreed to go to counseling where I was made to look crazy. According to him just because he says he's leaving, if he doesn't leave that's what matters. Ok :confused:

Now at this point my wall is up and I'm not taking any chances. A few months ago he got mad for who knows what. Yes I am not the happiest and it doesn't seem to matter to him as long as he's happy but I still try to do the normal things a wife is suppose to do. At least I try with a smile. Now he's telling me I should sleep in the other room and he's going to move out. I'm super confused now but after thinking it over I talk to him calmly and tell him he is right. I'm unhappy and depressed all the time, I can never seem to do anything right in his eyes so we should split. We discuss filing our taxes separately and getting separate car insurance. The next day he acts like he didn't just say he wanted to leave. Now I'm even more emotionally distant. I still move into the other room and when I tell you I had the best sleep...yes! Now he's mad because I gave him what he asked for and it's not working out the way he thought.

He actually told my daughter, who has asthma, that her medical bills are the reason we are at odds. She called me crying saying she's sorry she's the reason we are breaking up. :mad::mad:

I'm still in the other room sleeping but everyday I just want to run away. I have moments and complete sadness and I don't want to do anything but sleep. I feel trapped and soooo unhappy. But he seems to be happy and now tries to force the happiness onto me but my heart has hardened. I can't get over him telling me he's leaving, saying he doesn't like my kids, blaming my child for our issues, saying I'm the reason for his downfall. I don't want to hurt him but I don't want to keep hurting. How can I escape??? Is marriage really about the other persons happiness despite your own?

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How to Heal After Finding Out…

This post is inspired by a post I made last week ( http://ift.tt/1HniZXX ). After getting a feel of most posters' undertone, I decided "this" will be helpful.

This post focus on helping you get over the initial shock and focus on proper healing.

When you discovered about your spouse's affair, the effect may have devastated you. You may not even believe that what they're telling you is the truth. This person you invested so much in and trusted deeply has completely betrayed you.

You may even feel as though your life and relationship has been shattered in a single blow – and that's normal.

Immediately after the news is broken, this is what you should focus on doing;

1. Pour out your heart. The news of an affair can be nerve wrecking. You may feel sad, angry, betrayed, confused, disappointed, or a combination of these. It's normal

Most people deal with these emotions by stuffing them down. But this is not healthy. You need expression. You need to tell your partner what s/he has done – and how you feel. Say it in whatever way makes sense to you. For now, forget about the ethics of how you're saying it. Just clear out your emotions. That's the point.

2. Cry. During those early days, you may try dealing with those emotions by ignoring them or being "brave." The problem with this is that it prevents you from completely dealing with your emotions. This makes total healing next to impossible.

You see! You have to get in touch with those painful feelings to get past them. So don't be afraid. This helps you release those emotions.

If you try to bottle them up, they may come back to haunt you.

3. Be Skeptical. Take your partners promises of repentance with a grain of salt – until they demonstrate it. That's a healthy position to take right now. Don't just accept anything that they say just because you're hoping that it will make your relationship heal faster. Let them work for – and win back – your trust.

You see! If your relationship is going to survive, your partner needs to take the time and effort to make an internal character change. They'll also need to live a life consistent with that change.

4. Be a broken record – if necessary. During this painful period, there may be things you'd want your partner to hear from you. There might also be things you'd want to hear from them. Tell them to him/her – and demand to hear what you want.

Do this as often as you need. Be a broken record if necessary.

Yes, the cheater may complain. But that's because what you're saying is painful. They really don't want the hear it. But at the end, the result is always positive. You'll get what you need and feel a sense of complete expression.

And don't worry if what's coming out are bad stuffs. It can't be any worse than it already is.

5. Your emotions will alternate. Go with it. Over time, those hurt feelings, defensiveness, deception, accusations and painful arguments will wane. The feeling will slowly become less painful. When this happens, let them go. Don't go thinking you have to hang on to them. No, you don't.

There are times the feelings will come up and there are times they will fade. Let them. Emotional healing doesn't happen in one fell swoop.

6. Kick-Start the Self-Healing Process. The first-five tips is to help you deal with the trauma – your past. This one focuses on your future. It's about reflation: about taking a holistic look at your wants, needs, desires, short comings, your partner and the relationship.

Don't forget that you have the right to feel (and think) whatever you're feeling right now. You don't need to act on them. Emotions and actions are two different things. So allow the taught and feelings.

As you go through this reflection, you may realize that your relationship is not that perfect. You may discover places you may have done things better. But this doesn't mean you're responsible for the affair. No, you're not. Nobody has the right to betray a partner no matter what.

The reflection is only focused on helping you start on a clean slate and improve the relationship. You need to focus on what you want out of the relationship in the future.

7. Heal the Relationship. Now that you know about the affair and are faced with some details about your partner, it's time to start healing the relationship.

The only way to do this is talk with your partner as much as possible. Open up channels of communication and have those difficult – and painful – conversations.

With time, the pain will start to subside. When this happens, try to have some fun with your partner. When the opportunity pops up, allow yourself to be happy and have fun with your partner. It shouldn't be all about work.

With these, it'll (hopefully) be a matter of time and things will improve.

Please drop your feedback. Let me hear what you think.

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How Often Does Settling Happen?

We've all have heard of it, seen it in movies, read it in books. But I wonder in real life how often do people settle when choosing a marriage partner.

I don't mean "he isn't 6'3, but 6' is close enough" or "she's only a B cup but what the hell" settling. I mean the sexual attraction or truly deep love isn't there, but more of a friendly love and comfortableness.

I think I settled with my first wife (and she with me) in that way. There were times I was pretty attracted to her and really felt romantic love for her, but I'd say overall it was more that we were comfortable.

At the time I was young and thought that was what made a good marriage. People always said, don't base your relationship off of sex because sex always fades. (might this be considered Blue Pill? ;))

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what's the worst thing a sibling has done to you?

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what's the worst thing a sibling has done to you?

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Im curious to find out other people's experiences with their siblings because MY brother and i never get along. not for a lack of trying but simply because we are totally different people and we are almost always at odds. the past couple of years have been the nail in coffin of our relationship and i can say i don't like being around him. he is untrustworthy and has no regard for other people's belongings. he doesn't have a job and doesn't seem to want one but is always asking for money. he's manipulative and lies constantly to get what he wants. what annoys me most of all is the fact that he takes my clothes and gives it to other people or looses it. i buy new clothes only to have them lost, destroyed or simply given to others. he is the worst king of room mate imaginable. sorry for the rant but please share your experiences and advice. cheers.

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What's wrong with me?!?

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What's wrong with me?!?

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So I hate to do this (write on some forum telling the Internet how "lame" my life is) but I have to know what I'm doing wrong.
I'm talking of course about relationships as at almost 17 I haven't had one not even a pointless one in primary school. I wouldn't say I'm a great looker but I'm decent. (I know 😷) I'm not weird or smelly or "dench" (muscular). I'm funny (😷) ,but some times controversial, and generally try to be nice. I don't stare at girls bodies as that's not really important (personality and looks 🙌). I'm hardly picky cause I don't see myself as a great choice for anyone. I think it could be because I'm that guy the one no one really knows well, sometimes the joker sometime the joke. I've heard all the let downs and now don't think anyone I talk to really wants to talk to me. If anyone has advice, been in this situation or justs wants to laugh at then reply.

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The guy I like blocked me on Facebook

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The guy I like blocked me on Facebook

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Basically, I'm into this guy. He knows I'm into him. Nothing's happened between us but my friends think he could be into me (for a number of reasons that aren't really relevant right now). We talk on Facebook relatively often and he's always friendly and chatty etc etc. However, we don't talk in real life mainly because I'm not as popular as him so approaching him in school would be social suicide. My school is incredibly cliquey, as you can see. His friends don't know we talk mainly because he'd probably get a lot of **** for talking to somebody from a lower social status.
Anyways, last night I messaged him whilst he was at a party. He didn't respond for a while so I tried to send a follow up message a couple of hours later but Facebook told me that I didn't have permission to send it. Basically, he blocked me (I tried searching for him in my friends list and he didn't show up- confirmation).
Now what I'm left wondering is why he blocked me? Was it because I sent him a message when his friends were around- maybe they saw it and he had to make up some bull**** excuse like 'oh yeah, she's always messaging me, she's so weird, she's basically obsessed with me', leading to him blocking me? Something like that? Because I genuinely don't understand why he would block me otherwise.
I'm trying not to care so much because my school is ****ing ridiculous with all its social rules and **** but it really does suck. The only consolation I have is that I'm off to uni in October so I don't really have to be around them for much longer, just until the end of June when I finish exams.
So yeah, if anybody would be willing to help me understand, that would be great. We both live up north and us northerners are supposed to be friendly, right? :lol: that's part of why I'm slightly confused.

Thank you!
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A crappy relationship mixed with mental health issues. Long, but please help.

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A crappy relationship mixed with mental health issues. Long, but please help.

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I'm a girl who's been dealing with quite severe depression and episodes of self harm and suicidality for the past couple of years. This time last year, I met a guy. He was awesome, and we'd spend hours chatting via messanger and he'd tell me I was special, amazing and hilarious. He trusted me with his issues. I admitted that I had feelings for him, and we kissed for a really long time (my first but not his, I'm in Yr 11 and him in Yr 13). This was late last year. Then, all of a sudden, he started seeing someone else and it broke me. I loved him and felt as though we really could be happy together, but he never really wanted a relationship. I was very emotional and had a relapse of clinical depression because of other home factors and just generally wasn't in a good place over Christmas. I argued with him loads.

Then, we managed to patch things up and he said he'd always be there for a chat about my depression/feeling suicidal. That made me happy, except whenever I tried to talk to him about how I was feeling, he'd make a joke out of it all and tell me to stop being so negative. I tried time and time again to explain that I was ill and the next 4 months were a whirlwind of me being strung along and thinking he still cared for me. Eventually, I couldn't deal anymore and gave him some space for a month.

When my depression had subsided, I tried to contact him but he didn't want to talk to me. He said he'd moved on and "preferred I'd remain a shadow." I didn't understand what he meant at all and he offered no explanation other than "piss off, my gf is all I need." I tried several times to speak to him over chat, but every time he'd lash out at me and at one point, called me a leech and said he didn't give a single f**k about me and was never going to see me again. It went from "I'm not gonna lose you" to "why won't you p*ss off I'll just block you."

Now, I'm so confused and know that any more attempts at contacting him are only going to push him further away, but I'm so ridiculously hurt, He thinks I'm whiny, immature and his girlfriend also hates me, when in reality, all I've done is care for another person. He says that I should find someone else who "isn't a stepping stone" and it hurt so much because that's not what he was to me. He trusted me and I trusted him, and I just don't know what to do. I blame myself. I have anxiety too, so that causes me to ruminate and panic. So I've convinced myself that he's right. I'm a leech and a waste of space, and expected him to be responsible for my happiness.

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Friends with benefits with your ex?

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Friends with benefits with your ex?

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Okay, so me and my boyfriend broke up a year ago. Since we broke up, all we have done is have sex. He constantly says he doesn't want a relationship with me, nor with any other girl whilst still being at uni. Yet, whenever we're together he asks if I can't get with any other boys, just him, for the duration of uni....
I know it's not going to end well, but we've broke it off so many times and we've both went straight back to each other. Just as I think I am over him and that it's purely just sex, I realise that it's much more than that. I know it sound stupid being so young and saying this but I really don't think I can cut him out of my life, he means a lot to me and I care about him probably too much.
Does anyone have any advice at all on what to do, or what to even say to him? I feel like every time I bring it up, he gets angry, we argue and don't talk. It's a constant cycle and I never know how to approach the matter :(

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Curfew at 21??!!!

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Curfew at 21??!!!

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I'm a 21 year old female, 22 in 6 months. I'm absolutely sick of being treated like a baby. I don't necessarily have a curfew but if i come home after 1am they get so mad. Last night I got in at half 2 and they went mental my dad called me a whore and even hit me and my mum done nothing just yelled at me. I understand that they're just worried but i'm an adult now and they can't seem to let go of their little girl and its really frustrating me because none of my friends parents do this to them. Also they're very religious so of course that plays a huge part and the fact that they're very traditional and cultural. Anyway I go to university but live at home and work part time I pay my travel and phone bill and sometimes help out with paying bills at home yet they still treat me like i'm 10. Moving out isn't an option because that is too expensive. I've tried so many times way too many times to reason with them but they won't budge, i'm at my wits end. Any suggestion s? Please don't tell me it's their house their rules, I already know this.

P.S. what is the best way to move out at 21 in London? I work p/t and go uni although I really really really do not want shared accommodation. Ideally I want to be at home to save but I cannot stand it here no more.

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