Read spoiler for background info. Spoiler: Show Having seen the thread on male abortion, I was surprised to see many people supporting sexism against men. Even feminists who claim to support equality and fight against gender roles were supporting sexism against men (men not being allowed male abortion). Many feminists believe gender roles is the cause of sexism in society and want to demolish them. But as they proved on that thread, sexism isn't necessarily caused by gender roles. Sometimes people are just sexist because they hate a gender or are extreme biased towards/against a gender. Feminists arguing against male abortion proves my point. But...let's say feminists got their wish in destroying gender roles. This would mean that there would be no opposition to women becoming dominant leaders and doing "man stuff". At the same time, there would be no opposition to men being submissive, making mountain out of molehills and acting "girly". Seeing as we are animals, a large number of us want a lifelong partner and to potentially have a family with said partner. Concerning heterosexuals, each sex generally seems to find some traits attractive in the opposite sex. A lot of women will find men attractive who have: social status, financial status, tall, broad shoulders, strong arms, a dominant personality, a lot of hobbies/interests, toughness of character/thick skin etc. A lot of men will find women attractive who: have good looks, are quite submissive but not a doormat and have empathy. If feminists managed to destroy gender roles, we may well see a lot of men who are "beta" (submissive, whine endlessly about trivial things, little status) becoming more acceptable in society. We may see women who behave like "alpha" men becoming more acceptable in society. The problem with this however, is that what each sex generally finds attractive in the other sex may not change. And because human beings generally want to attract a mate, they may feel the need to adhere to what the opposite sex finds attractive. Hence the social norms won't actually change and our current gender roles may never be destroyed completely. Here's my question. For guys, if gender roles were destroyed, do you think women would find you attractive if you became "beta phags"? If you moaned a lot about trivial things, cried a lot in front of your friends about your problems, had little social and financial status and you were generally submissive, do you think women (especially good looking ones) would still find you attractive? If they don't, would you feel pressure to adhere to what women generally find attractive so that you can get a girlfriend or get sex? What about you women? Would these submissive beta guys be your ideal man in the society I described above? Would you fantasize about having sex with men who are short, whine about trivial things, have no social or financial status and are submissive? And guys, would you be attracted to women who were pretty much men with vaginas? Would be attracted to women who wanted to wear the trousers in a relationship? Would you be attracted to women who are rarely submissive in any form? Would you be attracted to women who always dressed like men? Would you be attracted to women who were rarely empathetic? Would you be attracted to women who don't take too much care of their appearance? Are the things that society find to be generally attractive in each sex slightly innate? Or are we told by 'the patriarchy' to find those things attractive and adhere to them? I would like the main focus to be on sexual attraction rather than feminism throughout this thread. And please state your reasonings behind your answers. | |||
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Gender roles and sexual attraction
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